剛剛在 newsgroup 上看到的小道消息
說是 THINK 贏了
雖然 LMDC 網站還沒公布.....
不知道是真還是假...
LMDC 介紹紐約雙子星世貿大樓競圖 參與競圖各家團隊作品
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chillywilly
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oops
對呀..結果是
Libeskind Plan Chosen for World Trade Center Site
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/26/nyreg ... BUILD.html
Libeskind Plan Chosen for World Trade Center Site
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/26/nyreg ... BUILD.html
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oops
wEwE 寫: -----------------------------------------------------------------
我覺得Daniel Libeskind應該會上.....
提供一個另類觀點.....
光是他的猶太背景.........紐約後台的猶太勢力硬的很，猶太人很聰明，總是懂得給自己人裡面的天才有機會出頭•
911事件某種程度上來說與以色列是相關的，(賓拉登會去撞雙塔有它的涵義)，SO，現在找個猶太人把世貿再蓋起來，而且蓋的更高更美是對那些敵人們最好的諷刺了•
回頭看了一遍wewe的留言...
覺得wewe真的可以去當先知ㄌ...ㄏㄏ...
其實姑且不論是否其得獎原因為何.........
是作品本身所呈現出來的氛圍...
是Libeskind散發出其在文學或哲學上的造詣
及個人詮釋事物的獨特方法.....
或是其個人的背景及出身(波蘭的猶太人)
而形成如wewe所說的勢態....
再再告訴我們...得獎與"天時地利人和"的強烈相關性....
而Libeskind的得獎....他個人形容是一個'life-changing experience'...
這讓我聯想到Frank Gehry在作Bibao的museum前...
其"默默的"在創作一些個人風格非常強烈的傢俱,建築....
每一時期的Gehry作品...都可以看到他的作品不斷的在演化..演進...成熟的過程
而古根漢的museum in Bibao...
似乎就好像其早已計畫好的成品...
就像曾承德老師所說的,"有了Guggenheim Museum in Bibao"...
Gehry前面作品的意義才更加顯明...
(雖然當時有人說Gehry早就過氣了..拿到Bibao的案子不過是鹹魚翻身了一下...ㄏ ㄏ..)
而回到Libeskind....
他在拿到WTC案子之前.....所展現出來的造型風格與哲學性...
似乎亦可與Gehry的模式來比較......
會變得更加的有趣.....
尤其是他們的名聲皆在80年代前後底定...在解構時代齊名....
而之後皆接到一個超大型的案子設計權......
Libeskind的名聲與影響力..在WTC完工後...會對整個建築界造成怎樣的影響呢?
大家拭目以待囉!!
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chillywilly
At last, the winner walked out into the light as we all expected. When Daniel Libeskind's plan first appeal to the public at 12.18.2002, it catches with a lot of positive attentions from the people. His stylish memorial ground storms people by a simple arc ramp from his 'circle of lights'. As LMDC announced the final winner, New York people get their new hopes from the ground zero. Rebuild the WTC is just a matter of time, but to all the New Yorkers, it is a symbol for future.
This is not the end for Daniel's office, because this proposal is selected through LMDC representatives. For Mr. Libeskind, the true test begins. His proposal now will get hand over to the public and the user groups. This is the most furious battle between a mega-structure and the city-slickers. The turn out at the end is so unpredictable, any thing can happen in this stage. Let's wish the best for him and congradulation on his undeniable win.
This is not the end for Daniel's office, because this proposal is selected through LMDC representatives. For Mr. Libeskind, the true test begins. His proposal now will get hand over to the public and the user groups. This is the most furious battle between a mega-structure and the city-slickers. The turn out at the end is so unpredictable, any thing can happen in this stage. Let's wish the best for him and congradulation on his undeniable win.
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站長eaGer
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chillywilly
You are right Capt. Eager. We don't know if we are getting our towers back. As we speak, they are rebuild the path station in the ground zero, which this will totally effect the future structure above. People said: Towers can wait, but transportation system can not wait. There are more than half million people waiting to have this station rebuild. We don't need a super pretty station. We just need one now!
As they progress along with re-open the path and subway station on time, our WTC is now waiting to get people's approval. Time for construction is really unkown right now. If we building exactly as Daniel's plan, it will take about 3-4 years to build. If Daniel is good enough to go for fast track, it will take about 2-3 years to finish. Still this time line is just too rough to put it down into black and white.
At this point, LMDC don't have any money for the re-build. Larry Silverstien the building owner and the Port Authority the land owner are the people now got enough cash to get this construction start tomorrow. They have already recieve money from the insurance companies, federal disaster reliefe funding, state emergency funding, city budgets and donations. The only question is when are they willing to start to use the money? Right now, the money is sitting in the bank and collect interest. So longer it takes to get a proposal, more money they will earn from the interest. This is too much of a snowball effect. If you have this generator running, would you want to stop?
As they progress along with re-open the path and subway station on time, our WTC is now waiting to get people's approval. Time for construction is really unkown right now. If we building exactly as Daniel's plan, it will take about 3-4 years to build. If Daniel is good enough to go for fast track, it will take about 2-3 years to finish. Still this time line is just too rough to put it down into black and white.
At this point, LMDC don't have any money for the re-build. Larry Silverstien the building owner and the Port Authority the land owner are the people now got enough cash to get this construction start tomorrow. They have already recieve money from the insurance companies, federal disaster reliefe funding, state emergency funding, city budgets and donations. The only question is when are they willing to start to use the money? Right now, the money is sitting in the bank and collect interest. So longer it takes to get a proposal, more money they will earn from the interest. This is too much of a snowball effect. If you have this generator running, would you want to stop?
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爆漿撒尿牛丸
說也是好笑，我之前竟然一直忽略了 GARY HACK 這個名字。
原來 LIBESKIND 這 WTC 設計案的 city planning 部分是跟咱 GSFA（U.PENN）的院長 GARY HACK 來做的啊，可是.......CITY PLANNING 對 LIBESKIND 的 WTC 設計案很重要嗎？怪哉怪哉..........
http://www.world-memorial.org/New/building.html
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/releases/2003/Q1/wtc.html
http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/ ... 30227r.asp
在二月號的 ARCHITECTURE RECORD 裡面報導:
Libeskind 說到「Urban design done by a faceless office in the shadows doesn't make much sense to me. We are in a world of grown-ups and professionals. Only a bold decision will empower the citizens of New York to create a civic space to match their aspirations.」(p.48)
這番話聽起來很 architectural 吧？
原來 LIBESKIND 這 WTC 設計案的 city planning 部分是跟咱 GSFA（U.PENN）的院長 GARY HACK 來做的啊，可是.......CITY PLANNING 對 LIBESKIND 的 WTC 設計案很重要嗎？怪哉怪哉..........
http://www.world-memorial.org/New/building.html
http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/releases/2003/Q1/wtc.html
http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/ ... 30227r.asp
在二月號的 ARCHITECTURE RECORD 裡面報導:
Libeskind 說到「Urban design done by a faceless office in the shadows doesn't make much sense to me. We are in a world of grown-ups and professionals. Only a bold decision will empower the citizens of New York to create a civic space to match their aspirations.」(p.48)
這番話聽起來很 architectural 吧？
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wEwE
站長EAGER是也 寫: 我比較好奇的是，到底 WTC 會不會被重新蓋\起來？
畢竟現在經濟的狀況不是那麼好，如果要把那麼龐大的建物在曼哈頓島上完成，要耗費的人力、物力、時間不是用一般的級數就可以計算出來的，究竟 LMDC 會不會願意再花那麼多錢呢？ WTC 重新聳立在下曼哈頓可能是五六年以後的事情了吧？甚至更久......
呵呵....wewe再次保證他一定會被蓋起來....
有什麼好理由嗎?
嗯....跟上次一樣.......這是面子問題.
面子問題真的值個幾十億美金嗎?
嗯..沒錯......只是些小錢罷了...只有在一種情況下此案才可能會流產.....就是--美國吃敗仗.
這種機率有多高呢? 嗯....我也不知道...我是押美國贏啦..so..會蓋出來.
蓋世貿跟美伊戰爭有啥關係呢?
有.....美伊戰爭就是因為世貿來的....不是嗎?
有因有果..阿彌陀佛.........
最後由 wEwE 於 2007-10-02, 20:38 編輯，總共編輯了 2 次。
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wEwE
從幾個方面去掰....嗯..沒錯......只是些小錢罷了...
關於這一點....我可以解釋一下...從幾個方面去掰....
1.911事件可以看成是因地球上人類價值觀差異造成對力而產生的一種現象，這牽涉到兩種古老且最主要的意識形態，回教與基督教，這是老掉牙的糾紛了，可以想像吧‧so.....要處理這種大事，幾十億美元只是零錢罷了‧
2.來想一下"花錢"與"賺錢"的差別在哪?
重蓋世貿到底是花錢還是賺錢呢? 嗯...其實這需要很多資料來評估..不太確定，不過可以提一下這個--
http://www.people.com.cn/BIG5/guoji/209 ... 03058.html
和平是有價的，各位可以想像嗎? 911的發生讓這世界蒸發掉的錢至少是以千億或萬億美元來計的‧
那到底是誰賠到錢誰賺到錢呢? 美國政府? 美國人民? 美國保險公司? 外國保險公司?海珊?賓拉登? 全世界?
都沒賺到，破壞是一種消費行為，像是吃東西一樣，結果只會出現大便‧
世界上的大保險公司如果真出事，世界會變的很糟糕，對金融保險銀行業等構成經濟命脈的產業都會造成衝擊，怎麼算都是美國人賠，喔~不對，湊巧這些行業都是猶太人管的，不管是叫哪一國家的保險公司賠，猶太人都成了冤大頭‧
so.....911消失的錢，要從哪邊再長回來呢? 這些資金如果全要美國來承擔，美國會很慘‧美國慘，大家都會很慘(含台灣、日本)‧
so.....養兵千日用再一時囉‧我認為這是出兵的最好理由，那對美國是有相當好處的，幾乎是拯救世界整體經濟‧
也就是說， LIBESKIND 領的其實是海珊給的薪水(設計費)‧
呵...瞎扯......信不信油你囉...
:s
最後由 wEwE 於 2007-10-02, 20:38 編輯，總共編輯了 2 次。
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wEwE
嗯....其實扯到這些....又不免想到.....嗯....
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很宿命的，建築本身並不是一個目的，是工具‧目的總是在於人而非建築上‧
獻身於建築的人們或許該了解，下棋的人並不是我，我不過是一顆棋‧
嗯....來聽歌好了........
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棋子 --- 王菲
想走出你控制的領域
卻走進你安排的戰局
我沒有堅強的防備
也沒有後路可以退
想逃離你佈下的陷阱
卻陷入了另一個困境
我沒有決定輸贏的勇氣
也沒有逃脫的幸運
我像是一顆棋
進退任由你決定
我不是你眼中唯一將領
卻是不起眼的小兵
我像是一顆棋子
來去全不由自己
舉手無回你從不曾猶豫
我卻受控在你手裡
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很宿命的，建築本身並不是一個目的，是工具‧目的總是在於人而非建築上‧
獻身於建築的人們或許該了解，下棋的人並不是我，我不過是一顆棋‧
嗯....來聽歌好了........
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棋子 --- 王菲
想走出你控制的領域
卻走進你安排的戰局
我沒有堅強的防備
也沒有後路可以退
想逃離你佈下的陷阱
卻陷入了另一個困境
我沒有決定輸贏的勇氣
也沒有逃脫的幸運
我像是一顆棋
進退任由你決定
我不是你眼中唯一將領
卻是不起眼的小兵
我像是一顆棋子
來去全不由自己
舉手無回你從不曾猶豫
我卻受控在你手裡
最後由 wEwE 於 2007-10-02, 20:38 編輯，總共編輯了 2 次。
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爆漿撒尿牛丸
呵呵，扯到棋子來了...........
以前 EAGER 在當兵時深有所感，看到那些愚蠢的中華民國軍官胡作非為、自以為是，卻僅僅是其他胡作非為的棋子，就有了以下的想法：每個人都是下棋者也是棋子，棋盤的大小是由個人的意志所決定，然而你的佈局得與其他人的佈局妥協，因為你在其他人的棋盤上也是個棋子，我會認為棋子是有其主動性的，即使你想移動你棋盤上的棋子，你也不一定辦得到，所以你的控制力取決於你的財力、魅力、權力、說服力、能力。
即使你是個擁有數以億計的棋子的玩家，別忘了，你也只是造物者在時間流逝中曾控制而且可被忽略的一顆小棋子罷了。
所以，你可以做什麼呢？下一盤不讓自己悔局的棋，也幫助別人下一盤他們沒有遺憾的棋吧！制震